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15. What is a man, that I still believe in resurrection?

What is a man, that I still believe in resurrection?
 
“What is a man?” Psalms 8:4

The man is very close to any intelligent machine. In fact a creator (a man), an engineer, simply copy what the high Creator made. Especially in these times, some engineers have been trained “borrowing” some “technical” in humans, animals or plants.
My opinion is that currently, synthetic machine, namely the Bionic Robot, is the closest to humans. The big challenge for bionic engineering, is to copy and restore the man in synthetic.

The man has two “parts” as systems, that are self-interacting, and couldn't be man and alive, if one of them would not work at all (die).

So, as living humans, we have:

Flesh - which is intended to be a factory that made energy, the gross energy i.e. what you keep in shape;

Spirit – i.e. a program (like on the computer), which is coordinated and managed the smooth operation of these two parts: flesh and spirit;

This two systems, in connection (union) produce an another system, a living human body, called in the Bible as "living soul" - Genesis 2:7. Is like the H2O and the product of the water. Two different systems, the H2 and the O produce another system, the water.
Now you have to understand that the soul is not equal to the spirit, but are two different things. 

What happens at death? 
All these three systems stop, but the “data” is not lost of any system, just backed like the computer; but something more like the computer because it keeps a kind of “black box” in the "ADN", a type of “seed” (1Corinthians 15:35-38), which contains all the data from the three systems. To understand me better, what I think: man is born from a “seed” that fell from the "tree" called Adam, and then who grow to maturity. When man dies, "seed" decreases and goes where it started, waiting in the ground the “reactivation” i.e. the restart activation. Therefore says our Lord Jesus so clear that:

"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out -- those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned." John 5:28,29. 

So, it is clear that exist something in us, that can not be seen by us, the “black box”, like a type of “seed”. Everyone is in there and keep it in the ground, and the Son of God work on (“Resurrection”) of each “seed” at the time set by our heavenly Father, our dear Father Yah, the Creator.

Some statements about the resurrection

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho: About resurrection

Trypho: “Do you really admit that this place Jerusalem shall be rebuilt? And do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the Patriarchs...?”

Justin: “I and many others are of that opinion, and believe that this will take place, as you are assuredly aware; but on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith think otherwise. Moreover I pointed out to you that some who are called Christians, but are godless, impious heretics, teach doctrines that are in every way blasphemous, atheistical and foolish…I choose to follow not men or men’s teachings, but God and the doctrines delivered by Him. For if you have fallen with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit the truth of the resurrection…who say that there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls when they die are taken to heaven, do not imagine that they are Christians…But I and others who are right-minded Christians on all points are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel, Isaiah and others declare…We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, ‘The Day of the Lord,’ is connected with this subject. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the Apostles of Christ, who prophesied by a revelation that was made to him that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general and the eternal resurrection of all men would take place.”

Justin Martyr’s Statement on the resurrection (ca 150 AD)
“For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit the Truth of the resurrection and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; who say that there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls when they die are taken to heaven: do not imagine that they are Christians; just as one, if he would rightly consider it would not admit that the Sadducees, or similar sects of the Genistae, Meristae, Galilaeans, Hellenists, Pharisees, Baptists, are Jews, but are only called Jews, worshipping God with the lips, as God declared, but the heart was far from Him. But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 80, Anti-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1, Eerdmans, p. 239).

The protest of Justin Martyr against those who denied the resurrection of the flesh

From Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 80.

“They who maintain the wrong opinion say that there is no resurrection of the flesh… As in the case of a yoke of oxen, if one or other is loosed from the yoke, neither of them can plough alone; so neither can soul or body alone effect anything, if they be unyoked from their communion [i.e. the soul can have no separate, active existence]…For what is man but the reasonable animal composed of body and soul? Is the soul by itself man? No; but the soul of man. Would the body be called man? No; but it is called the body of man. If then neither of these is by itself man, but that which is made up of the two together is called man, and God has called man to life and resurrection, He has called not a part, but the whole, which is the soul and body…Well, they say, the soul is incorruptible, being a part of God and inspired by Him…Then what thanks are due to Him, and what manifestation of His power and goodness is it, if He purposed to save what is by nature saved…but no thanks are due to one who saves what is his own; for this is to save himself…How then did Christ raise the dead? Their souls or their bodies? Manifestly both. If the resurrection were only spiritual, it was requisite that He, in raising the dead, should show the body lying apart by itself, and the soul living apart by itself. But now He did not do so, but raised the body…Why do we any longer endure those unbelieving arguments and fail to see that we are retrograding when we listen to such an argument as this: That the soul is immortal, but the body mortal, and incapable of being revived. For this we used to hear from Plato, even before we learned the truth. If then the Saviour said this and proclaimed salvation to the soul alone, what new thing beyond what we heard from Plato, did He bring us?”

Irenaeus of mid-second century about resurrection (Against Heresies, Bk. 5): 

“Some who are reckoned among the orthodox go beyond the prearranged plan for the exaltation of the just, and are ignorant of the methods by which they are disciplined beforehand for incorruption. They thus entertain heretical opinions. For the heretics, not admitting the salvation of their flesh, affirm that immediately upon their death they shall pass above the heavens. Those persons, therefore, who reject a resurrection affecting the whole man, and do their best to remove it from the Christian scheme, know nothing as to the plan of resurrection. For they do not choose to understand that, if these things are as they say, the Lord Himself, in Whom they profess to believe, did not rise again on the third day, but immediately upon his expiring departed on high, leaving His body in the earth. But the facts are that for three days, the Lord dwelt in the place where the dead were, as Jonas remained three days and three nights in the whale’s belly (Matt. 12:40)…David says, when prophesying of Him: ‘Thou hast delivered my soul from the nethermost hell (grave).’ And on rising the third day, He said to Mary, ‘Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to my Father’ (John 20:17)…How then must not these men be put to confusion, who allege…that their inner man [soul], leaving the body here, ascends into the super-celestial place? [Irenaeus thus reckons today’s teaching as shameful!] For as the Lord ‘went away in the midst of the shadow of death’ (Ps. 86: 23), where the souls of the dead were, and afterwards arose in the body, and after the resurrection was taken up into heaven, it is obvious that the souls of His disciples also…shall go away into the invisible place [Hades]…and there remain until the resurrection, awaiting that event. Then receiving their bodies, and rising in their entirety, bodily, just as the Lord rose, they shall come thus into the presence of God. As our Master did not at once take flight to heaven, but awaited the time of His resurrection…, so we ought also to await the time of our resurrection.

“Inasmuch, therefore, as the opinions of certain orthodox persons are derived from heretical discourses, they are both ignorant of God’s dispensations, of the mystery of the resurrection of the just, and of the earthly kingdom which is the beginning of incorruption; by means of this kingdom those who shall be worthy are accustomed gradually to partake of the divine nature.”

Tertullian about the resurrection (Treatise on the Soul, ch. 55) 

There is some stupid argues abou the hades, but right questions about the resurrection.

 “Plato...dispatches at once to heaven such souls as he pleases…To the question, whither the soul is withdrawn [at death] we now give the answer…The Stoics place only their own souls, that is, the souls of the wise, in the mansions above. Plato, it is true, does not allow this destination to all the souls, indiscriminately, of even all the philosophers, but only those who have cultivated their philosophy out of love to boys [homosexuals]…In this system, then, the souls of the wise are carried up on high into the ether…All other souls they thrust down to Hades.

“By ourselves the lower regions of Hades are not supposed to be a bare cavity, nor some subterranean sewer of the world, but a vast deep space in the interior of the earth, and a concealed recess in its very bowels; inasmuch as we read that Christ in His death spent three days in the heart of the earth, that is, in the secret inner recess which is hidden in the earth, and enclosed by the earth, and superimposed on the abysmal depths which lie still lower down. Now although Christ is God, yet, being also man, ‘He died according to the Scriptures (I Cor. 15:3) and ‘according to the same Scriptures was buried.’ With the same law of His being He fully complied, by remaining in Hades in the form and condition of a dead man; nor did He ascend into the heights of heaven before descending into the lower parts of the earth, that He might there make the patriarchs and prophets partakers of Himself. [Nothing is said in the Bible about Jesus altering the condition of the Patriarchs while he was in Hades,] This being the case you must suppose Hades to be a subterranean region and keep at arm’s length those who are too proud to believe that the souls of the faithful deserve a place in the lower regions. These persons who are ‘servants above their Lord, and disciples above their Master,’ would no doubt spurn to receive the comfort of the resurrection, if they must expect it in Abraham’s bosom. But it was for this purpose, say they, that Christ descended into hell, that we might not ourselves have to descend thither. Well, then [they say], what difference is there between heathens and Christians, if the same prison awaits them all when dead? [But I say], How, indeed, shall the soul mount up to heaven, where Christ is already sitting at the Father’s right hand, when as yet the archangel’s trumpet has not been heard by the command of God? When as yet those whom the coming of the Lord is to find on the earth, have not been caught up into the air to meet Him at His coming, in company with the dead in Christ, who shall be the first to arise? [I Thess 4:13ff.] To no one is heaven opened. When the world, indeed, shall pass away, then the kingdom of heaven shall be opened” (Treatise on the Soul, ch. 55).









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